Curse

Meat Axe · Mar 18, 2007, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

Wrong. There are too many optimists on these forums (believe me, I know). If there's something that the majority of these forums actually agrees is bad, then it's quite significant and noteworthy.

Too many optimists? I rarely see a post on these forums that is optimistic. Where are they all hiding? Obviously not in Riverside, since that's the forum I mainly read. I've found that a lot of people on these forums are whiners. They'll complain about anything. And this little guy is a very easy target.

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Originally Posted by explodemyheart

And, as I said, the majority. I was not incorrect in what I stated. Even if just "a small few" complained, the ones that did, at the time, were the majority. We're talking about majority of who was complaining, not the actual number.

The majority on these forums is not the majority of players in GW. Just because the majority of people that posted in this thread hate it is irrelevant. Like I said above, a lot of people on here complain about everything new that is added into the game. This guy is something we haven't seen before, so he is obviously going to be a target for these whiners.

Now, I'm not saying that all the people who voiced their dislike are whiners, so don't take offense. You're all entitled to your own opinion, and it doesn't make you a whiner. But we can't take a sample of the population of GW from these forums and expect it to accurately represent the entire population of the game. Especially when it's such a small number as 100 people. There's three or four million people that own the game.

Now, for those of you saying it doesn't fit. Have you ever considered that it doesn't fit because it's not in its environment? I don't think humans fit in the Realm of Torment, but I don't complain. I don't demand they change the storyline so that I never have to see a human in the Realm of Torment. These Asura have a lot of features of an underground dweller. So of course they're not going to fit in above ground in the sunshine. But should we demand that these guys never see the light of day? No.

explodemyheart · Mar 18, 2007, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Meat Axe

The majority on these forums is not the majority of players in GW. Just because the majority of people that posted in this thread hate it is irrelevant. Like I said above, a lot of people on here complain about everything new that is added into the game. This guy is something we haven't seen before, so he is obviously going to be a target for these whiners.

Welcome to what was precisely my point.

Bryant Again · Mar 18, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Meat Axe

Now, for those of you saying it doesn't fit. Have you ever considered that it doesn't fit because it's not in its environment? I don't think humans fit in the Realm of Torment, but I don't complain. I don't demand they change the storyline so that I never have to see a human in the Realm of Torment. These Asura have a lot of features of an underground dweller. So of course they're not going to fit in above ground in the sunshine. But should we demand that these guys never see the light of day? No.

That's another thing I'm afraid of: Where this little guy actually comes from. If he does not fit the world of Guild Wars, I'd hope that at least his world/environment would.

Or hopefully he's from another world, and that doesn't sound too far off.

Soldat · Mar 18, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

Now I only wonder what it's "battle stance" will be.

Zinger314 · Mar 18, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

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Originally Posted by Meat Axe

Now, for those of you saying it doesn't fit. Have you ever considered that it doesn't fit because it's not in its environment? I don't think humans fit in the Realm of Torment, but I don't complain. I don't demand they change the storyline so that I never have to see a human in the Realm of Torment. These Asura have a lot of features of an underground dweller. So of course they're not going to fit in above ground in the sunshine. But should we demand that these guys never see the light of day? No.

You aren't looking deep enough.

What seperates Guild Wars, lore-wise, from other MMOs is that it's the most realistic fantasy game. Oxymoron? No.

Most of the enviroments in Guild Wars are based off of real-world architecture and landscapes. The armor and character models most realistically resembles human models. A Dobby-Stitch creature would harm that impression.

You probably disagree. But the enviroments of GW are the only clear advantage over other MMOs...

Bahumhat · Mar 18, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

C'mon guys, don't bash on it because it's different then what Anet has previously made. How would you feel if you spent weeks creating that Asura, only to have people call it ugly, just because it's different?

I think it looks rather cute, and I wouldn't mind having one myself.

Zinger314 · Mar 18, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Bahumhat

C'mon guys, don't bash on it because it's different then what Anet has previously made. How would you feel if you spent weeks creating that Asura, only to have people call it ugly, just because it's different?

This isn't DeviantArt. This is a videogame which tries to make a profit. Therefore, as a consumer, I have the right to be annoyed with the Asura.

Alfrond · Mar 18, 2007, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

This isn't DeviantArt. This is a videogame which tries to make a profit. Therefore, as a consumer, I have the right to be annoyed with the Asura.

There is a difference between expressing dislike and being rude and
disrespectful. I'm hoping everyone here knows the difference.

raven214 · Mar 18, 2007, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by Meat Axe

Now, for those of you saying it doesn't fit. Have you ever considered that it doesn't fit because it's not in its environment? I don't think humans fit in the Realm of Torment, but I don't complain. I don't demand they change the storyline so that I never have to see a human in the Realm of Torment. These Asura have a lot of features of an underground dweller. So of course they're not going to fit in above ground in the sunshine. But should we demand that these guys never see the light of day? No.

Exactly what I was trying to say earlier.

Voltaire · Mar 18, 2007, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by Meat Axe

Now, for those of you saying it doesn't fit. Have you ever considered that it doesn't fit because it's not in its environment? I don't think humans fit in the Realm of Torment, but I don't complain. I don't demand they change the storyline so that I never have to see a human in the Realm of Torment. These Asura have a lot of features of an underground dweller. So of course they're not going to fit in above ground in the sunshine. But should we demand that these guys never see the light of day? No.

My sentiments exactly. I don't see why something like this should be bashed before we really have any idea what it actually entails. Also, judging from that battle stance image, looks like the Asura will be plenty fierce.

Gli · Mar 18, 2007, 01:29 AM // 01:29

I can only hope we'll never ever have to lay eyes upon the muppet's environment. I don't particularly care about gingerbread houses, lollipop trees and flowers with smiley faces.

HalPlantagenet · Mar 18, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

You aren't looking deep enough.

What seperates Guild Wars, lore-wise, from other MMOs is that it's the most realistic fantasy game. Oxymoron? No.

Most of the enviroments in Guild Wars are based off of real-world architecture and landscapes. The armor and character models most realistically resembles human models. A Dobby-Stitch creature would harm that impression.

You probably disagree. But the enviroments of GW are the only clear advantage over other MMOs...

A perfect, succinct statement summarizing what's wrong with our Star Wars refugee friend. Thank you. Here is what I fear: Arenanet perceives a realistic opportunity to take dramatic market share from WOW and is incorporating "cuteness" into the game to appeal to that segment. Given the quality of their aesthetic decisions so far, it seems most unlikely. Nevertheless, I can't come up with any other vaguely plausible rationalization for the thing, let alone the choice to have him "herald" upcoming content.

Yaga Philipe · Mar 18, 2007, 02:17 AM // 02:17

Not sure why you guys think it's fugly and stuff, looks cute.

I don't get PC Gamer for the mini pets, but I want this one.

Zinger314 · Mar 18, 2007, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Yaga Philipe

Not sure why you guys think it's fugly and stuff, looks cute.

And thus we're back to the fundamental paradox: Art is subjective!

But I can say, objectively, that the majority of the people on these forums think that it's ugly.

Torikae · Mar 18, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by Zinger314

You probably disagree. But the enviroments of GW are the only clear advantage over other MMOs...

IMHO, that seems a little harsh. I think that if the environments were all GW had going for it, most of us wouldn't still be playing.

I mean, whilst I adore the environment (don't get me wrong on that!) I play GW for it's gameplay - Isn't that the point? I'm sure I'm not alone here

I'd say that is possibly foremost amongst its 'clear advantages' over other MMOs.

And those of you who think this little guy spells doom - Don't you like GW enough as it is now to place at least a little trust in ANet to keep giving us great stuff?
I won't pretend that I have no apprehension over this matter myself, but I for one will not write off whatever ANet plan to bring us without giving it a fighting chance.
After all, whether he changes the environment a little, affects balance a little, alters the theme a little... this little critter isn't going to turn up and single-handedly destroy everything that is GW.

...right?

Jaher Dal · Mar 18, 2007, 02:50 AM // 02:50

That little guy is awesome. I can't wait to see the outposts over run with them things!

lacasner · Mar 18, 2007, 02:55 AM // 02:55

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Originally Posted by Torikae

I mean, whilst I adore the environment (don't get me wrong on that!) I play GW for it's gameplay - Isn't that the point?

As do I, as do I...

But simply there has been much player expression about looks and details, which I cannot understand no matter how hard I try. I mean, if people want something to be implemented in a game, and no game is perfect, shouldn't gameplay take a priority over technicalities such as different artwork?

Sai of Winter · Mar 18, 2007, 03:43 AM // 03:43

It's understandable that some people view the Asura as ugly, hey it's not their taste. But I've never understand why some say that the appearance of this race will mark doom to the GW franchise? @_@ Overreacting much or their strong hatred of the Asura's image is causing them not to think straight and not use the right words? O_o

Mind boggling what some people say...

Redfeather1975 · Mar 18, 2007, 04:09 AM // 04:09

I think it's an outlet for their dissatisfaction with the game.
I notice many of the people complaining about the Asura, complain about quite a bit in the game already. Yet they continue to spend their lives playing the game. And to be honest I doubt their ramblings about hating it or quitting if the game changes mean jack. They won't quit over that, because they've been complaining way to long and still playing.
It's all hot air and no guts.
So if people really, really hate it and say they want to quit. Quit already. Prove me wrong. Walk out and never come back. It'd be super awesome if you can back up your statements of doom and gloom with some action of your own. Just quit.

Bryant Again · Mar 18, 2007, 04:14 AM // 04:14

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Originally Posted by Torikae

IMHO, that seems a little harsh. I think that if the environments were all GW had going for it, most of us wouldn't still be playing.

I mean, whilst I adore the environment (don't get me wrong on that!) I play GW for it's gameplay - Isn't that the point? I'm sure I'm not alone here

I'd say that is possibly foremost amongst its 'clear advantages' over other MMOs.

And those of you who think this little guy spells doom - Don't you like GW enough as it is now to place at least a little trust in ANet to keep giving us great stuff?
I won't pretend that I have no apprehension over this matter myself, but I for one will not write off whatever ANet plan to bring us without giving it a fighting chance.
After all, whether he changes the environment a little, affects balance a little, alters the theme a little... this little critter isn't going to turn up and single-handedly destroy everything that is GW.

...right?

Actually, most of the players I know - who also happen to be my best GW friends - were taken into Guild Wars by the graphics and realism. Out of all the games I've played, Guild Wars by far has some of the best animation and environments. It is very pretty indeed. I'm frightened to think of how many less players there would be if the graphics weren't this good.

As to people spelling "Doom" towards Asura: If this guy is supposed to be from the new game, I'm gonna be a little concerned. It's already been stated - he is a very cartoony, unrealistic and cutesie character, and his model and look doesn't flow with the rest of the Guild Wars style. And if he's also representing a different world, than I'm going to not look forward to that world, as well.

Don't get me wrong, though - I love Guild Wars. I trust ANet, but only like I trust my best friend's driving: "Yeah dude, I trust you...just eh, be careful in this lane, okay?"